thank U davidsjelly, hour sentiments exaktly:

davidsjelly writes:

"the problem is Bernhard... in order to point out the specific disinformation it would require me to write up an essay about 20% as long as yours... and that is a waste of my time. so it is sufficient for me to simply state the obvious... which is that your essay is nothing more than the spreading of other peoples mis and disinformation."

"you've been so suckered it's almost comical... were it not so sad."

""as for your style... yeahhh.... it sucks. and it's not about you being direct... it's about your inability to be credible and thus persuasive. your very choice of opening words and statements makes that clear. if what you propose is true... you wouldn't bother telling us all about all the 'ridicule', 'disbelief' and 'blind belief' you experience."

"you are fear mongering. and as for you saying "I'm sorry you got scared.".... you only prove yourself to be playing the fool."

>>>"What has my profession, personal life and your accusation/attack do with this essay?"

"as far as i can tell... you put all the effort and time into spreading this fear as a means to not only give yourself something to do in your spare time... but also to increase eyeballs to your profile and site and so advertise your "healing" services. not to mention, the more dis-ease you create in people and the world around you... the more clients you and those of your ilk will attract."

"you are a charlatan Bernhard. unlike your reference to blowjobs... my mention of you advertising here on Tribe for Reiki at $45 an hour is truth. "

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Commendable and useful effort, though, Bernhard. If nothing else, you have pulled some valuable sources and quotes together. Thanks.

"However, your way of presenting gives me the impression that you regard yourself as a leading expert on the topic of credibility. You seem to have no qualms about elevating your own viewpoint way above anyone else's."

I admit my style may have the sound of it (I'm working on changing my tone. I tend to get too "passionate" about certain topics, if you know what I mean), but in the end I'm just presenting the research of other people, which is mostly disregarded in the New Age Movement. And in the end I'm just posing questions. In all earnest, I'm not an expert like the researchers I wrote about in that essay, but I'm also not just some blind believer who hasn't done research on his own. As a matter of fact, there are MANY people on this tribe or other tribes who talk as if they know it all and have figured it all out (mostly basing is on "channeled" material), but the way they argue is just like a fundamental Christians argues that Jesus is coming back and save them.


"There are no points for guessing a few facts Bernhard, only friendly responses for managing to communicate one's noble feelings. It is clear that you have noble feelings, so how about you try to extend them rather than just blast away at what others might or might not be doing (not that you really seem to know). "

I'm not blasting anyone away I just present information and ask questions and I also dare to question certain "holy cows" in the New Age Movement and certain beliefs that people seem to believe so easily and so I'm being blamed as "fear mongering" by certain New Agers (not saying you are).


"By the way, URANTIA Foundation does not promote any word about "Galactic Federation", nor does the text that it safeguards. I wonder what other rash statements permeate your monologue..."

I never said that the URANTIA Foundation promotes a "Galactic Federation". This you took from an article I posted which I didn't write.
I suppose it was Guy Malone's bit about the Disclosure Project, which in essence is hitting the nail on the head.



"For all you know, there could be an entity called the Galactic Federation that is superior in ethics to any society of humans here on this planet. And maybe such an entity is the force needed to rid this planet of some interplanetary beings that are exploiting we Urthlings for their own very selfish purposes."


Sure, but you don't know that as well. All I go by is what I've come across in my research over the years.
Maybe, maybe,.....there are many maybe's in the world.
The New Age Movement and Alien Savior mindset is the same mindset of fundamental Christians. Both are grounded in blief and wishful thinking, but not Knowledge or Wisdom.

Have you actually read the essay to the end. I give it all the benefit of a doubt.

As I wrote in the end:

[...]

So, what about a fully benevolent alien intervention in order to "unite" humanity under "world peace"? Sure, but under what conditions, what kind of "peace" and "who says"? If it was up to "me", I'd love to have a big party in 2012 with the whole world, aliens and ET's uniting together and make a big love fest.
But reason and objectivity, as well as intuition, tells me something else......and if there are facts, reliable research and sources that prove a fully benevolent agenda, I'm more than happy to comply. However, so far I haven't come across anything that supports that case.

Are maybe the aliens themselves behind the New World Order and quest for Global Enslavement? Most people still have a hard time realizing that 9/11 was an Inside Job and that Al Qaida is as fake as the war on terror. If the population of this world can be already so easily deceived by such obvious means, how will they ever look through a Manipulation and Deception by Beings, they are not even aware of (yet) and whom they might welcome as their "space brothers" in the near future?
Interesting times indeed...

What is truth and what are lies in the world of UFO's, Aliens, Abductions and Hyperdimensional Realities? We ought to make an effort to find that out. As Karla Turner said: "We owe it to ourselves."

"You gotta be careful when you ask for the truth... it's usually what you don't want to hear or face. Asking a burning question can open the door to a whirlwind..." - Laura Knight-Jadczyk

I'd like to end this exploration of UFO's Aliens, Abductions and the Question of Contact with the words of Elton Turner, husband of Dr. Karla Turner and an abductee himself:

I believe that our very thoughts and consequently, our behavior as a race of sentient beings are being UNDERMINED through the power of insinuation and the implantation of controlling devices in our bodies by non-human (most of the time) entities. This is truly the most effective way to invade and conquer. I do not trust such creatures no matter what I have been told about their altruistic motives.

We, as a race, have never been free to discover our own true identity. Every social advance we attempt is thwarted by some maniac who springs up with almost divine grace to lead us into madness. Saint Paul, for instance, seems to have taken the real message of Jesus and his earliest followers and distorted it into something that we kill, lie and cheat for. And, in spite of all that, we still aspire for redemption of our souls. The followers of that doctrine - Christians, they call themselves - are not the only ones who behave in such a manner. Every major religion has managed to find an excuse in its teachings to destroy non-believing fellow human beings. A part of me shudders every time I hear of yet another killing based on 2000-year-old hatreds.

What law allows us to continue with such atrocities? What influence keeps such hatred and fears alive? Why are we abductees so afraid to ask for real help from our own society?

We have been INVADED - but I do not yet believe that the battle is over. Invasion with sticks, knives or guns is a human reality, not necessarily a universal one. There are very sophisticated mechanisms being used in the invasion of our world. Why should our invaders use pointed sticks against us when they can get us to sharpen sticks and use them against each other? We provide them with everything they want from us, and they take none of the blame for our misery. They just zip around in their wonderful flying machines, dazzling us with their magical abilities and filling us with awe at their insight.

Can there be a more successful military campaign than one in which no shot is (apparently) fired and in which the conquered populace gladly and openly welcomes their enslavers? We are being programmed mentally and socially to accept our invaders as saviors, not a conquering force. I truly believe we are being deceived by smoke, mirrors and sleight-of-three-fingered-hand movements. Are we going to sell our birthright to some sneaky beings who appear on our shores in marvelous ships and offer us a few glitzy baubles?

The researcher asked if I personally knew of harm that has come to anyone at the hands of, or because of, the aliens. Yes, harm has come. My early youth was damaged severely by the unconscious knowledge that I was being used by some non-human agency. It took me 40 years to recognize that the fears which guided me daily were not of my own making and that the rebellion I constantly felt was engendered by my contempt for the powerful invisible agents that forced me to do things that I knew were wrong, even as I was doing them.

For example, I did not want to marry the person who became my first wife, yet I had no control over the decision. Before we were married, we were jointly abducted and subjected to severe programming. The results brought no happiness to either of us. We both starved for love and companionship, even though we tried with all our might to find them. My son (now 25) was also one of their subjects, and is miserable and lost. He is an artistic person with so many unknowable fears that he is paralyzed. I know of abductees MURDERED by mutilations (reports of which are suppressed immediately and completely), by cancers that no physician has ever seen before, and by madness that has led to suicide. In my opinion, these acts were not caused by "brothers" of any sort.

I do not believe that all is lost, however. I have felt a guiding hand that helped me to discover happiness and inner peace amid all this chaos and misery. What I have come to understand is that that hand is only there when I take responsibility for my own happiness and do something about whatever is bothering me.

Reality left in the hands of the invaders is neither what we need nor what we want. It is time that we think hard about ourselves and what we have on this gem of the universe, our home - our planet. There are laws governing the actions of our invaders, rules guiding their actions and patterns of behavior we can discover if we will make a concerted effort to discern them. We humans have something valuable that is desirable to, and usable by the alien forces acting on us.I feel it is time we take back that which is ours, that we use all our resources to discover the laws that govern reality and become the beings that we intrinsically know we are.




Thank you for your thoughts Somonai.